Muddy Waters

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  2015 DC Invitation

  by pixel in

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  you saw it here first!.

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  Leaving-quietly, are you sure there will be 2 dramas about Jesus?? They must be listening to us here, because awhile back there were some posts here which mentioned that in all the org's histories of convention dramas (80-100 years or so), "Christ's brothers on earth" have NEVER ONCE produced a drama about Jesus. What a bunch of buffoons. And the pamphlet thing shows such a sad looking Jesus. Well, I guess he would be sad, watching all those people walking away from him!
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  I have a serious problem

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

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  i have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.

  i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.

  i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.

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  They are not respecting you, your family, or your "headship."

  It also sounds like you are putting all the onus and action on their side, by saying to your wife that they need to come talk to you. Perhaps it is time for you to talk to them first, armed with some legal advice & theocratic warfare, ha.
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  The "5 Pillars" of Witness life...

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  oh, there is one brother that keeps prattling on about "the 5 pillars of faith and worship".

  - prayer.

  - personal study.

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  I've heard this blather many times... The fifth pillar is "association" -- with fine, spiritually upbuilding members of the congregation...
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  I saw and heard something in a Kingdom hall I thought I would never witness!

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  2. beliefs

  when i was a kid i would hear religious songs on tv and start sining them... not knowing they were church songs... one day i started singing the hallelujah song (not sure the exact name of the song) my father quickly gave me a hard slap on the mouth and said if i ever sang that song again he would take his belt off and beat my butt until it was red!.

  well fast forward 30 years..... the public speaker was missing today and so tv.jw>org to the rescue.... instead they decided to play the new video about the last hundred years since 1914.. instantly the hall was filled with the exact same song i was punished for!

  yes a church song filled the hall for almost 5 minutes as we watch br.

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  No, Blondie, it is called "The Battle Hymne of the Republic" which begins, "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord..." and has a chorus which repeats the words, "Glory, glory, hallelujah..."
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  Trying to live the rest of my life without being bitter.

  by Bigdummy in

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  i'm new to this forum.. i was raised in " the truth" from age six and now i am in my mid 60's.

  my wife was born in " the truth" and is very strong in the religion.

  i have had many experiences during my lifetime with the other members of several congregations.

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  Welcome BigD and thank you for sharing.... It is a hard and cruel awakening when you are older, my husband is 68 & and I am in my 50's.... So looking back is very ..... well very much a lot of things. :(

  We too, had doubts, but pulled them back in, assuming that "God's Organization" was always the best way to follow.... but some things just could never really be squared away. Like, blood fractions?? Really?? Yet you were still not supposed to store your own blood?? And the heavenly, angelic trumpet blasts in the book of Revelation being Resolutions made at certain assemblies back in the 1920's (these same resolutions that no one remembers or mentions?)

  And why did we not do more for widows and orphans if that was form of worship which God approved?

  Why did the "load" one carried in the congregation never feel refreshing and light?

  Have you read Crisis of Conscience? I'm almost afraid to recommend it to you, as it might make you plenty angry. But it was written by a former member of the governing body, and he was in his 60's too when kicked out.... He spent most of his life thinking he was serving the true God, even forfeiting having children with his wife. Oh boy, does he ever have some things to say, all documented. I read it with tears pouring down my face and have never felt so betrayed.

  A friend of mine says she believes we are all put here "to learn something" and that the religion must have given me something I needed in life. So I try to remember the best and good things about it, but then I also think of the high price and the things we can never gain back or recover, and I too feel very angry. And dumb. But stuff like that can hold us back from moving forward.

  Be gentle and take your time with your wife.... Keep reading, keep listening... and do not blame yourself for the path your life has taken, your parents really thought, as we all did, that we truly had the best way of life.
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  All the changes

  by vinman in

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  are their any newer people here, who recently found out ttatt, who has been disturbed by all the new changes in the organization?

  it is turning into something that feels impersonal.

  i know change is good.

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  Request-2012-October 1, BOE on Child Abuse!

  by Atlantis in

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  2012 october 1, boe on child abuse.. click the link by the little blue arrow.. .. https://www.sendspace.com/file/vx2k4b.

  .. atlantis!.

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  Awesome, ty.
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  DC2015 New Release: Brochure "Return to Jehovah" for those who faded/left

  by Designer Stubble in

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  2. bible

  it appears that a new 16-page brochure, with the title "return to jehovah" is to be released at the regional convention (dc) this year.

  it would be written specifically for those faded or da/df.chapters are:a letter from the governing body1.

  the lost one i will search for2.

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  Interesting that ch 5 tells you to return to ... "the overseer of your souls."

  -- the OVERSEER! Yeah, being in bondage & slavery to *them* is just so appealing!
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  JW.org Lapel Pins for I.D. ?

  by ShirleyW in

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  2. friends

  today was the first time i've seen a bro wearing a jw.

  org lapel pin, actually much, much larger than an actual lapel pin.

  square shaped, the background was olive green but the letters were white in bold letters.

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  Muddy Waters

  Whatever happened to "walking by FAITH, not by sight..."? That was the reason JWs wouldn't wear a cross (or, in their case, a "torture stake", ha) and why they looked down at people in Christendom for having a visible symbol of their faith.

  Someone should design a JW-dot-org pin that shows the Israelites worshipping the golden calf, only the calf should be the JW-org symbol. LOL. I would wear that one!
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  This Week's Service Meeting

  by berrygerry in

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  "or perhaps there is an adult brother who is restricted from conducting the meeting or offering congregation prayer for reasons known by the elders.

  without revealing confidential information, the elders should let the assigned sisters know that they should conduct and pray even if he is in attendance.".

  too funny..

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  Muddy Waters

  Well now. Are they perhaps having a little problem with too few brothers conducting meetings for field service? Are there many sisters conducting these meetings, then? Are there so many brothers "on restrictions" that this may be a common occurrence? Why all this detailed instruction? Oh, those bad boys. Good thing they know how to deal with the sisters and keep them in their place....